Comments on: Another excellent night on Ivy – how much longer can it go on? http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/10/16/another-excellent-night-on-ivy-how-much-longer-can-it-go-on/ Topical information from the Suffolk Moth Group Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:38:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.6.1 By: Neil http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/10/16/another-excellent-night-on-ivy-how-much-longer-can-it-go-on/#comment-2008 Neil Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:41:53 +0000 http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/?p=3923#comment-2008 Unfortunately it seems the Ivy flowers are now going over on the clump, not seen as many moths on it the rest of this week just gone. Below the main flowers are some ‘secondary’ smaller buds that are yet to open so there may be more chance to get some observations in once these come out. Numbers of moths are dropping off now though with the season moving on so might not get the amount I was seeing. Have to see if the wind has an effect too over the coming week as even though mild weather is forecast it is going to be blowy and quite wet.
With regard to Sallow, I have had a look in the past at this but not had much success here with it. I have seen small numbers of Chestnut moths and Water carpets feeding at the blooms (both male and female) but not much else. Maybe I’ll give it another go in the spring if its a better one than this years freezing cold one!

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By: tonyhopkins http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/10/16/another-excellent-night-on-ivy-how-much-longer-can-it-go-on/#comment-2005 tonyhopkins Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:35:14 +0000 http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/?p=3923#comment-2005 Thanks for the thoughtful response, Neil. I’d be interested in your continuing observations! The question is, with flower sources in limited supply, do most autumn moths fly to them from hiding places elsewhere and have to run the gauntlet of predatory bats, or do they intentionally gather and remain in the ivy clumps, which are good both for nectar and shelter? As you suggest, weather may be a factor too; if they’ve thought ahead (!) and settled in an ivy bush then they don’t have to fly at all if subsequent nights are cold or bat-infested. All they have to do (early or late in the evening) is crawl a few inches if they feel peckish. And ivy has quite a long flowering season.

What you’ll have to do to resolve the issue is sit out all night for a few nights and do regular half-hour counts of flying and non-flying moths around the different zones of your rather wonderful ivy clumps. The rest of us could take turns to supply you with bacon sandwiches!

But seriously, I’ll be very interested in know how your observations progress over the next few days. Meanwhile, it looks like being a good MV night tonight…

Re the relative attraction of male and female ivy flowers, do you find the same thing is true in the spring with sallow?

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By: Neil http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/10/16/another-excellent-night-on-ivy-how-much-longer-can-it-go-on/#comment-2004 Neil Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:24:33 +0000 http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/?p=3923#comment-2004 Only additional species I’ve seen this week on the Ivy since the high count on Monday night have been Dark sword-grass and Satellite (2).

Neil

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By: Neil http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/10/16/another-excellent-night-on-ivy-how-much-longer-can-it-go-on/#comment-2003 Neil Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:18:54 +0000 http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/?p=3923#comment-2003 Yes, I find moths on both the male and female flowers, both seem equally attractive. Certainly as with running a trap the weather conditions do dictate how good it is going to be. Last night, with the bright moon and clear sky numbers were well down on what they have been up to, but still probably around 50+ Chestnut on there. I have been out at dusk as well on Wednesday night to see what was going on, and did find some Chestnut and Yellow-line quakers crawling out of the foliage towards the flowers, as well as a few moths already on them. Not large numbers however which does maybe suggest others fly in or get up later to crawl out! Another factor that may influence moths coming in was that at dusk there were 2 Bats hunting around the tree in tight circles, not seen this later on in the night when I’ve been out.

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By: tonyhopkins http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/10/16/another-excellent-night-on-ivy-how-much-longer-can-it-go-on/#comment-2002 tonyhopkins Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:37:47 +0000 http://suffolkmoths.org.uk/blog/?p=3923#comment-2002 I’m really enjoying reading about your ivy adventures – it’s ‘proper’ mothing (ie not just emptying traps!). I haven’t seen very much at my garden ivy over the past few days – but maybe I’m not looking late enough in the evening…! One query; do your moths visit both male and female flowers?

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<![CDATA[ Unfortunately it seems the Ivy flowers are now going over on the clump, not seen as many moths on it the rest of this week just gone. Below the main flowers are some &#039;secondary&#039; smaller buds that are yet to open so there may be more chance to get some observations in once these come out. Numbers of moths are dropping off now though with the season moving on so might not get the amount I was seeing. Have to see if the wind has an effect too over the coming week as even though mild weather is forecast it is going to be blowy and quite wet. With regard to Sallow, I have had a look in the past at this but not had much success here with it. I have seen small numbers of Chestnut moths and Water carpets feeding at the blooms (both male and female) but not much else. Maybe I&#039;ll give it another go in the spring if its a better one than this years freezing cold one! ]]>
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<![CDATA[ <p>Unfortunately it seems the Ivy flowers are now going over on the clump, not seen as many moths on it the rest of this week just gone. Below the main flowers are some &#8216;secondary&#8217; smaller buds that are yet to open so there may be more chance to get some observations in once these come out. Numbers of moths are dropping off now though with the season moving on so might not get the amount I was seeing. Have to see if the wind has an effect too over the coming week as even though mild weather is forecast it is going to be blowy and quite wet.<br /> With regard to Sallow, I have had a look in the past at this but not had much success here with it. I have seen small numbers of Chestnut moths and Water carpets feeding at the blooms (both male and female) but not much else. Maybe I&#8217;ll give it another go in the spring if its a better one than this years freezing cold one!</p> ]]>
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<![CDATA[ Thanks for the thoughtful response, Neil. I&#039;d be interested in your continuing observations! The question is, with flower sources in limited supply, do most autumn moths fly to them from hiding places elsewhere and have to run the gauntlet of predatory bats, or do they intentionally gather and remain in the ivy clumps, which are good both for nectar and shelter? As you suggest, weather may be a factor too; if they&#039;ve thought ahead (!) and settled in an ivy bush then they don&#039;t have to fly at all if subsequent nights are cold or bat-infested. All they have to do (early or late in the evening) is crawl a few inches if they feel peckish. And ivy has quite a long flowering season. What you&#039;ll have to do to resolve the issue is sit out all night for a few nights and do regular half-hour counts of flying and non-flying moths around the different zones of your rather wonderful ivy clumps. The rest of us could take turns to supply you with bacon sandwiches! But seriously, I&#039;ll be very interested in know how your observations progress over the next few days. Meanwhile, it looks like being a good MV night tonight... Re the relative attraction of male and female ivy flowers, do you find the same thing is true in the spring with sallow? ]]>
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<![CDATA[ <p>Thanks for the thoughtful response, Neil. I&#8217;d be interested in your continuing observations! The question is, with flower sources in limited supply, do most autumn moths fly to them from hiding places elsewhere and have to run the gauntlet of predatory bats, or do they intentionally gather and remain in the ivy clumps, which are good both for nectar and shelter? As you suggest, weather may be a factor too; if they&#8217;ve thought ahead (!) and settled in an ivy bush then they don&#8217;t have to fly at all if subsequent nights are cold or bat-infested. All they have to do (early or late in the evening) is crawl a few inches if they feel peckish. And ivy has quite a long flowering season. </p> <p>What you&#8217;ll have to do to resolve the issue is sit out all night for a few nights and do regular half-hour counts of flying and non-flying moths around the different zones of your rather wonderful ivy clumps. The rest of us could take turns to supply you with bacon sandwiches!</p> <p>But seriously, I&#8217;ll be very interested in know how your observations progress over the next few days. Meanwhile, it looks like being a good MV night tonight&#8230;</p> <p>Re the relative attraction of male and female ivy flowers, do you find the same thing is true in the spring with sallow?</p> ]]>
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<![CDATA[ Yes, I find moths on both the male and female flowers, both seem equally attractive. Certainly as with running a trap the weather conditions do dictate how good it is going to be. Last night, with the bright moon and clear sky numbers were well down on what they have been up to, but still probably around 50+ Chestnut on there. I have been out at dusk as well on Wednesday night to see what was going on, and did find some Chestnut and Yellow-line quakers crawling out of the foliage towards the flowers, as well as a few moths already on them. Not large numbers however which does maybe suggest others fly in or get up later to crawl out! Another factor that may influence moths coming in was that at dusk there were 2 Bats hunting around the tree in tight circles, not seen this later on in the night when I&#039;ve been out. ]]>
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<![CDATA[ I&#039;m really enjoying reading about your ivy adventures - it&#039;s &#039;proper&#039; mothing (ie not just emptying traps!). I haven&#039;t seen very much at my garden ivy over the past few days - but maybe I&#039;m not looking late enough in the evening...! One query; do your moths visit both male and female flowers? ]]>
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<![CDATA[ <p>I&#8217;m really enjoying reading about your ivy adventures &#8211; it&#8217;s &#8216;proper&#8217; mothing (ie not just emptying traps!). I haven&#8217;t seen very much at my garden ivy over the past few days &#8211; but maybe I&#8217;m not looking late enough in the evening&#8230;! One query; do your moths visit both male and female flowers?</p> ]]>
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